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the nra is deeply underwater. in other words, at least in this race, at least in this state right now, the nra is poison. you do not want to be associated with the nra, right? in american politics, it is worth asking in how many other elections is that going to be the case as well. this massachusetts senate race is not going to be the first election that we have after the presidential. this is one that is happening even sooner. it's in illinois in the second district there. jesse jackson jr. quit his seat there, holding a special election to replace him. the primary happens a week from tuesday. this is a heavily, heavily, heavily democratic district. so it is pretty well accepted that whoever wins the democratic party is going to win this seat in congress. that's why we had 17 democrats announce that they were going to run for this seat when it first became open. in a field that crowded and in a race that is this short, name recognition and perceived status is everything. right? whoever seems like the obvious choi
the nra is deeply underwater. in other words, at least in this race, at least in this state right now, the nra is poison. you do not want to be associated with the nra, right? in american politics, it is worth asking in how many other elections is that going to be the case as well. this massachusetts senate race is not going to be the first election that we have after the presidential. this is one that is happening even sooner. it's in illinois in the second district there. jesse jackson jr....
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who got an f from the nra. this illinois special election, the first congressional contest since what happened at sandy hook elementary last month happens just a week from tuesday. joining us now is chris hayes, the host of up with chris hayes, weekend mornings at eighths 8:00. great to see you as always. >> always great to see you. >> did you ever think you would live to see the day when an a rating from the nra would ban albatross? >> the weird thing is i saw that day when it i was 13 years old or 14-year-old, the million mom march, the assault weapons ban, when this kind of thing was good politics for democrats and the democratic party leaned into it. and then there was this longs period of exile. there was a backlash. there was a story that was told i think implausible about how al gore lost his somalia home state of tennessee because of support for the assault weapons ban in 2000. and basically, democrats completely gave up on the issue, and they allowed this mythology to take hold that the way that your m
who got an f from the nra. this illinois special election, the first congressional contest since what happened at sandy hook elementary last month happens just a week from tuesday. joining us now is chris hayes, the host of up with chris hayes, weekend mornings at eighths 8:00. great to see you as always. >> always great to see you. >> did you ever think you would live to see the day when an a rating from the nra would ban albatross? >> the weird thing is i saw that day when...
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>> i mean, harry reid did not get the nra endorsement. i guess you want can get any endorsement you want to get and be perceived by a constituents. there are nra members who support this gun control. >> john: exactly. >> there is a lot of money being thrown around. this is very wealthy. sometimes people can project strength because they spend a lot of money in washington. but they don't necessarily have that strength back in the district. >> john: let me talk about the background check legislation, is this a chance for democrats to claim victory on something here in this package while also letting the nra give the illusion of compromise on something. they fight it and fight it, and then give it up in the end. they talk about meaningful reform until the next ten massacres happen. am i being cynical on this? >> i think it's a loophole that we need to close. it's silly that it's even out there, right? the gun show loophole is something that we need to deal with. the real challenge and one thing that i'm sure the president is not going to tal
>> i mean, harry reid did not get the nra endorsement. i guess you want can get any endorsement you want to get and be perceived by a constituents. there are nra members who support this gun control. >> john: exactly. >> there is a lot of money being thrown around. this is very wealthy. sometimes people can project strength because they spend a lot of money in washington. but they don't necessarily have that strength back in the district. >> john: let me talk about the...
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and the nra doesn't want to talk about the specifics of most of those issues. rather, they want to engage in these outrageous scare tactics, pretend that people are coming after them to take away all their guns, which is not true, and hopefully given the amount of public attention this issue's getting now, those scare tactics and total distortions and lies will no longer work. >> congressman chris van haolle, i appreciate it. >> great to be with you, thanks. >>> today at 1:00 p.m. eastern time, the president will be in the city of decatur, georgia, to talk about his plan for massive expansion of early childhood education. joining me now to talk about that is patrick murphy. patrick, it's good to see you, and the white house released the president's early childhood education plan this morning. and as we look at this, the breakdown of it, it goes all the way down from pre-k to 4-year-olds and families below. politico took some of the president's proposals and decided to game it in the chances of success. raising the minimum wage, not good comprehensive tax reform
and the nra doesn't want to talk about the specifics of most of those issues. rather, they want to engage in these outrageous scare tactics, pretend that people are coming after them to take away all their guns, which is not true, and hopefully given the amount of public attention this issue's getting now, those scare tactics and total distortions and lies will no longer work. >> congressman chris van haolle, i appreciate it. >> great to be with you, thanks. >>> today at...
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wayne la pierre is a fairly comical if you ask me symbol for the nra. his rants seem like something glen beck might say. it really is borderline insanity, but let's remember, what does nra do? the nra collects enormous contributions from corporations that benefit from gun sales and it signs up individuals, usually as loss leaders, that the due don't pay for the entire budget, they really rely on those corporate contributions, but the membership allows them to say this is -- expand the ranks quickly of hard lined right wing people who will respond to this kind of language in order to show a growth in membership, so that the corporations will benefit from gun sales, we'll also have a louder voice, and i think that it's in anticipation of legislation and as wayne up here says in his own piece, judicial nominations. i think it's also important to point out that a lot of the buzz words that are used here were used by the far right wing against president obama himself. it is racially tinged of course. it's also talking about this president obama is going to l
wayne la pierre is a fairly comical if you ask me symbol for the nra. his rants seem like something glen beck might say. it really is borderline insanity, but let's remember, what does nra do? the nra collects enormous contributions from corporations that benefit from gun sales and it signs up individuals, usually as loss leaders, that the due don't pay for the entire budget, they really rely on those corporate contributions, but the membership allows them to say this is -- expand the ranks...
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the nra do not support. it is being used now to lobby against background checks for gun sales, something that most nra members actually support. the ama theater chain is on the nra's list, which only makes me want to see movies at amac's now. and ben and jerry's names are on the list, which makes me want to get even fatter. the kansas city chiefs and royals are on the nra's list, so if you're a baseball fan in kansas city and an nra member, you had better find a chicago team to follow. because don't think the nearby st. louis rams are the answer. because they, too, are on the nra's enemy's list. stoney field farm's yogurt has just become my yogurt of choice by getting itself on the enemy list. how crazy are wayne lapierre and the other blood-drenched lobbyists for murders, it describes just how crazy they are. and i'm just giving you the tip of the iceberg, the tip of the crazy, the national association of chain drug stores is on the list. the national association of secondary school principals is on the lis
the nra do not support. it is being used now to lobby against background checks for gun sales, something that most nra members actually support. the ama theater chain is on the nra's list, which only makes me want to see movies at amac's now. and ben and jerry's names are on the list, which makes me want to get even fatter. the kansas city chiefs and royals are on the nra's list, so if you're a baseball fan in kansas city and an nra member, you had better find a chicago team to follow. because...
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shooting classes from the nra and think everybody should get a background check. the interesting thing here is not just how extreme wayne lapierre has become but how different the leadership has become from the members of this organization. >> but, mark, he's describing apocalypse now in america, isn't he? >> yeah. he is. >> he claims to be describing an area called south brooklyn. i go to brooklyn regularly. i have never been confronted at any time of day or night by the kind of marauding thugs he says were roaming the streets immediately following hurricane sandy. >> well, there were no such maur rauding thugs. he also talks about all kinds of activity at the southwest border, coded language i assume that does not really exist. if he's concerned about the problem, then one would think that he would be in favor of law that is would keep guns out of the wrong hands like bangs of various kinds, but he will refuse to do anything that might reduce the number of guns that fall into those hands like a background check. again, everybody is like -- 90% of the public thin
shooting classes from the nra and think everybody should get a background check. the interesting thing here is not just how extreme wayne lapierre has become but how different the leadership has become from the members of this organization. >> but, mark, he's describing apocalypse now in america, isn't he? >> yeah. he is. >> he claims to be describing an area called south brooklyn. i go to brooklyn regularly. i have never been confronted at any time of day or night by the kind...
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have you heard of anybody quitting the nra? >> i have not heard anybody quitting, but i will say that meehan, patrick meehan out of pennsylvania, is a co-sponsor of our bill and hopefully -- and we've gotten five co-sponsors from the republican side. and hopefully we'll get even more, and maybe, just maybe, that will cause others to stand up, and then when you hear the words of lapierre, and everybody ought to read what he wrote, by the way. i think the people would distance themselves more and more from him. >> problem is -- >> chris -- >> meehan came out for your trafficking bill last night, as he should. he's a co-sponsor. i understand that's a good thing to do, but i tried to get him on assault weapons, i tried to get him on magazines. he won't do it even in suburban and delaware county. last thought, governor. >> you know, that's the key. congressman cummings, can you tell everybody, are the pat meehans of the world going to vote a discharge petition if speaker boehner will not allow these things to be voted on on the floo
have you heard of anybody quitting the nra? >> i have not heard anybody quitting, but i will say that meehan, patrick meehan out of pennsylvania, is a co-sponsor of our bill and hopefully -- and we've gotten five co-sponsors from the republican side. and hopefully we'll get even more, and maybe, just maybe, that will cause others to stand up, and then when you hear the words of lapierre, and everybody ought to read what he wrote, by the way. i think the people would distance themselves...
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the ap reports that a group of four senator, two nra members and two who get an f from the nra are working together on a bipartisan deal that would expand background checks for all gun sales. 90% of americans are in support of background checks but the nra said it will refuse to support any changes to current law. right now federally licensed gun dealers have to run background checks, but sales from gun shows or other private transactions are exempt. joe schumer and joe mansion who does belong to the nra, and other republicans the hope is that meaningful legislation with bipartisan support will help bring around some republicans who would otherwise not want to support legislation that puts any new gun control in place. just how many people do belong to the national rifle association? wayne lapierre testified last month that his organization represents some 4.5 million americans. the "washington post" fact checker took a look at that claim and give it one pinocchio. it took a look at the membership through how many people receive the magazine through subscription numbers, because people get
the ap reports that a group of four senator, two nra members and two who get an f from the nra are working together on a bipartisan deal that would expand background checks for all gun sales. 90% of americans are in support of background checks but the nra said it will refuse to support any changes to current law. right now federally licensed gun dealers have to run background checks, but sales from gun shows or other private transactions are exempt. joe schumer and joe mansion who does belong...
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even 75% of nra members and gun owners like myself support a background check. the n ra doesn't oppose the fact that when i go for a duck hunting license i'm limited to three rounds because we need to protect the duck population. but they don't support banning these high-capacity ammunition clips, 30- and 100 rounds designed to kill as many people as possible without reloading. if the american people call congress flood the switch boards with e-mails calls and letters there is a chance of this. but remember i've been at this since 1995. that is 600,000 dead americans from gun violence. just since newtown there has been almost 2,000 americans killed from guns. we're hearing the sequester and the debt ceiling is urgent. today 87 more people died from gun violence. that's urgent. until the american people make it a priority and hold congress accountable they're going to continue to take their blood money contributions from the unregulated gun industry and shame on us for not holding our congress people accountable. if they don't vote on this issue soon we can chang
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is the nra tone deaf? >> well, i think clearly there's a reaction to newtown that is not expected, given the horrific tragedy. the challenge for everybody, the president included, the republicans, nra, is what is the possible here? what can be done to move things forward? some areas dealing with mental health, looking at the background of individuals in terms of how to put that together to get a good background check and make people that don't have guns shouldn't get them. i think there's an opportunity here, you're seeing from both sides, is drawing a line in the sand. and when you start doing that, the art of the possible becomes less and less. >> well, that makes perfect sense. i think there's an optics question that has been raised. the president is going to chicago for obvious reasons. absolutely terrible problem with gun violence there and it's a city that he knows very well with. it's a city with strict gun control laws. people on the other side are saying, look, stricter laws don't work. does he ha
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the leadership of the nra, the top executives of the nra, their business is helping the ma manufacturers, their organizational supporters, to sell more guns. so they're interested in more purchases, however they're done. as you said, 74% of nra members themselves are for universal background checks and a vast majority of the gun owners themselves. normal people understand that everyone ought to be selected so that they're not a criminal, they don't have a history of mental illness that's been reported. those people shouldn't have guns and everyone in america practically agrees. >> let me transition to what's happening with chuck hagel and the senate. i want your perspective in that our first team says that this is a reminder for all that future legislative fights and nominations battles will perhaps be reflected in what we're seeing with chuck hagel and the filibuster and that, in their words, let's stop pretending this will change any time soon. there are tea leaves to be read in the chuck hagel nomination in hold and what we might see with immigration, gun control and other legislation
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. >> and i think the other part of this is that the nra's power had -- the nra was caught in this kind of virtuous circle for itself, in which its projection of power equalled real power. and the real power fed the perception of its power. and now that's been punctured. it really has. people wake up in the morning and there's stilt members of congress and it's not the on slaugt they thought. and tha is a huge change in the politics of the issue. >> when you look at the president as proposed, universal background checks, stricter penalties for gun trafficking, how much of that is realistically possible? >> i think at this moment, we've seen real bipartisan support for background checks. and i think we've seen probably some support around assault weapons ban that we might likely get. >>> i've got to tell you, i think on the high magazines, the high-capacity magazines strikes me the most challenging not because of the common sense policy nature of it, but because there's a lot of income to be earned by some fairly powerful groups around those high-capacity magazines. >> i also think -- de
. >> and i think the other part of this is that the nra's power had -- the nra was caught in this kind of virtuous circle for itself, in which its projection of power equalled real power. and the real power fed the perception of its power. and now that's been punctured. it really has. people wake up in the morning and there's stilt members of congress and it's not the on slaugt they thought. and tha is a huge change in the politics of the issue. >> when you look at the president as...
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all very targeted anti-nra message against her and her a rating from the nra, and so this is going to be i think seen whether it is or isn't going to be described as the test of whatever the conversation has changed, and so we will see whether his conversation changes with it. >> we shall see, indeed. we have to leave it there. thank you to curt, joy, maggie, and steve. that is all for now. see you back here tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific, when i'm joined by chris hayes, bloomberg business week's josh green and they always buzzy ben smith. gp top facebook.com/now with alex. andrea mitchell reports is coming up next. [ bells jingle ] [ cash register dings ] [ male announcer ] wow. a brave choice. okay, focus. think courage. think shaun white. think how perfect they'll be for outdoor crafts. mr. white. [ male announcer ] they're good for circulation. plus, they're totally practical. yeah, freedom. scan me. stride on, pale-legged, short-shorts guy. ♪ because every flake is double-toasted... splashed with sweet honey... and covered in rich double-roasted peanuts. mmm. [ her
all very targeted anti-nra message against her and her a rating from the nra, and so this is going to be i think seen whether it is or isn't going to be described as the test of whatever the conversation has changed, and so we will see whether his conversation changes with it. >> we shall see, indeed. we have to leave it there. thank you to curt, joy, maggie, and steve. that is all for now. see you back here tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific, when i'm joined by chris hayes,...
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dionne who is also on the nra's enemies list. e.j., first of all, congratulations of making the -- >> it's a my honor and distinct privilege to be on that list. >> a lot of us are kind of jealous. you're in distinguished company. frank rich, jimmy breslin. they concentrate on columnists. they still think that you wield all the power in public o pin where on. so there's a compliment there, i think. >> i also think it's a fairly old list. >> yes, it is. >> that list has been around for a while. i'm not sure they fully updated it. when they do, you'll be at the top i think. >> i'm going what i can. >> i say that as a compliment. >> i'm doing what i can to get there. so, e.j., wayne lapierre wrote a crazy op-ped piece yesterday somewhat in response to the president, then there he is today. and it's clearly a -- he keeps repeating this line, buy more guns, buy more guns. it's almost more overtly than ever a gun industry shill of let's just run up the sales. >> well, you know, i thought long and hard about this, and i've decided that a
dionne who is also on the nra's enemies list. e.j., first of all, congratulations of making the -- >> it's a my honor and distinct privilege to be on that list. >> a lot of us are kind of jealous. you're in distinguished company. frank rich, jimmy breslin. they concentrate on columnists. they still think that you wield all the power in public o pin where on. so there's a compliment there, i think. >> i also think it's a fairly old list. >> yes, it is. >> that list...
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. >>> can president obama beat the nra? wayne lapierre's apocalyptic rantings about a world without guns are easy to lampoon, but he may have the support and the votes to block any kind of real gun legislation and themselves the facts. >>> also, illinois has moved a step closer to becoming the next state to approve gay marriage. conservatives are chronically worried right now that they're losing the culture war at least on that front. for once i think they're right. >>> and watergate. water hyphen gate. marco rubio's water bottle moment may be the image that haunts him for a long time. a look back at some of the other moments that fairly or not have come to define some politicians forever. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ kitt ] you know what's impressive? a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of
. >>> can president obama beat the nra? wayne lapierre's apocalyptic rantings about a world without guns are easy to lampoon, but he may have the support and the votes to block any kind of real gun legislation and themselves the facts. >>> also, illinois has moved a step closer to becoming the next state to approve gay marriage. conservatives are chronically worried right now that they're losing the culture war at least on that front. for once i think they're right....
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the nra has never shown a history of that. the bigger question, though, is how are we going to respond to what are rights of americans to own guns. the whole idea of a right is that you have to keep that even though some people don't like it and get to the real argument about is there going to be some type of standard that we're going to keep and protect people's rights or not. and this emotion on both sides is just inflaming it and not moving the ball forward for anybody right now. >> karen, in addition to what we were just quoting from the actual op-ed and the reaction, john lapierre mentioned drug gangs from mexico. what's your thought? >> but he also specifically talks about latin american drug gangs. that's where some of the racial overtones come in and, john, all due respect, the president if you listen carefully to everything he said about gun safety and reducing gun violence, he has never said taking away -- talked about taking away guns from responsible gun owners. he has consistently said and said it the other night,
the nra has never shown a history of that. the bigger question, though, is how are we going to respond to what are rights of americans to own guns. the whole idea of a right is that you have to keep that even though some people don't like it and get to the real argument about is there going to be some type of standard that we're going to keep and protect people's rights or not. and this emotion on both sides is just inflaming it and not moving the ball forward for anybody right now. >>...
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i kept waiting for an alternative force to emerge within the nra. somebody to stand up. somebody akin to what's going on in the republican party now or even a karl rove saying hey guys, we can't win this way. there are gun owners who are sensible. i keep waiting for some of those to band together saying here's what we think we can do. >> john: you see 85% of nra members support background checks. >> there's no voice. they need somebody to be their recognizable face who can then -- >> take on the leadership. >> push lapierrre aside. he's the tea party. we are the mainstream. he's on the fringe. he's the tea party. we are the mainstream. >> republican legislators responding to the 85% who agree with what we think is the most common sense view, we have to say look wayne lapierrre is holding the political cards. >> john: is he trying to go forward with his campaign of lies until it falls apart or is he just getting paid? >> it may be both. it may be until he wins. if this guy six months ago has stopped anything other than a weak universal background check if be they haven't
i kept waiting for an alternative force to emerge within the nra. somebody to stand up. somebody akin to what's going on in the republican party now or even a karl rove saying hey guys, we can't win this way. there are gun owners who are sensible. i keep waiting for some of those to band together saying here's what we think we can do. >> john: you see 85% of nra members support background checks. >> there's no voice. they need somebody to be their recognizable face who can then --...
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last night, the head of the nra, wayne lapierre, delivered his own response to the president's call for action on guns. >> it's not about keepinging kids safe at school. that wasn't even mentioned in the president's speech. they only care about their decades long, decades old gun control agenda. the president has taken the art of public deception and manipulation to a whole new level. >> and now to the president's pick for defense secretary, chuck hagel is on hold for at least now. republicans successfully halted his nomination until after the recess. >> it's just unfortunate that this kind of politics intruds at a time when i'm when i need a secretary of defense to make sure that the americans are getting the strategy that they deserve. >> john mccain offered this in to the pushback that the nominee is getting from within the gop ranks itself. >> there's a lot of ill will towards senator hagel because when he was a republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly which anti-his own party and people. >> we don't have a secretary of defense in place and we're not going to because of a
last night, the head of the nra, wayne lapierre, delivered his own response to the president's call for action on guns. >> it's not about keepinging kids safe at school. that wasn't even mentioned in the president's speech. they only care about their decades long, decades old gun control agenda. the president has taken the art of public deception and manipulation to a whole new level. >> and now to the president's pick for defense secretary, chuck hagel is on hold for at least now....
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>> i don't think dumping the nra. i think where republicans run afoul on a lot of issues, is they're seen as a party that doesn't want to talk about the issue. there are a number of solutions that would actually do something to reduce gun violence and certainly school shootings, but when you dig in your heels and say we're not going to talk about background checks, that's what turns a lot of people off, including women. >> do you think it's more about the lack of a common-sense approach to the debate, the conversation? >> i do, actually, because, you know, in your previous segments you had the mayor of new orleans, and i think anybody that looks at it clearly said that banning assault weapons isn't going to top is it because there's 3.5 million of those out there, but the president's focus on mental health, making sure that guns don't get in the hands of criminals or the mentally ill, that should be the focus and something that people should be able to work out. >> it seems as though the gun violence debate is a hot p
>> i don't think dumping the nra. i think where republicans run afoul on a lot of issues, is they're seen as a party that doesn't want to talk about the issue. there are a number of solutions that would actually do something to reduce gun violence and certainly school shootings, but when you dig in your heels and say we're not going to talk about background checks, that's what turns a lot of people off, including women. >> do you think it's more about the lack of a common-sense...
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. >> the nra suspect backing down, although they may be changing their approach. check out this ad. >> president obama gives a good speech and when you listen to him talk about new gun laws, you may think he sounds reasonable. obama's, perts say that a gun ban like the one being debated right now in congress will not work without mandatory gun buybacks. mandatory gun buyback, that's government confiscation owned by honest citizens. >> shira, this is pretty different than the ad that said obama is a liberal, secret service protection, what about is this a pivot by the nra? are they changing their messaging? >> it it certainly sounds like it. what a different tone and what a different way they are framing these issues in that press conference we saw several weeks ago with wayne lapierre, it's like night and day. they saw the numbers and you have aired them on the network showing the nra becoming increasingly unpopular and they knew they needed to change their approach. what they are trying to do is do it in a more explanatory tone so people understand. they know the
. >> the nra suspect backing down, although they may be changing their approach. check out this ad. >> president obama gives a good speech and when you listen to him talk about new gun laws, you may think he sounds reasonable. obama's, perts say that a gun ban like the one being debated right now in congress will not work without mandatory gun buybacks. mandatory gun buyback, that's government confiscation owned by honest citizens. >> shira, this is pretty different than the...